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'Listen to what's going on:' Birmingham Police chief prepares to leave after 26 years and offers advice to interim

'Listen to what's going on:' Birmingham Police chief prepares to leave after 26 years and offers advice to interim
THIS WEEKEND, CHIEF SCOTT THURMOND CELEBRATED 26 YEARS WITH THE BIRMINGHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT IT鈥橲 A BITTERSWEET ANNIVERSARY, THAT鈥橲 FOR SURE. IT鈥橲 BECAUSE THURMOND IS LEAVING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. IN A STORY THAT YOU鈥橰E SEEING FIRST HERE ON 米兰体育 13, MAGDALA LOUISSAINT SAT DOWN WITH CHIEF THURMOND FOR A ONE ON ONE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE JOB, ITS CHALLENGES, AND HIS REASON FOR LEAVING. SATURDAY WILL ACTUALLY BE 26 YEAR ANNIVERSARY FOR ME. OH, WOW. HOW DO YOU FEEL? IT鈥橲 GONE BY FAST. IT REALLY HAS. AFTER TWO YEARS AS CHIEF, SCOTT THURMOND IS LEAVING THE BIRMINGHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT. I FEEL LIKE I鈥橫 LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT IN A VERY GOOD DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. AT THE END OF 2021, MAYOR RANDALL WOODFIN CALLED ON THURMOND TO REPLACE PATRICK SMITH, WHO SUDDENLY LEFT. I SPOKE WITH THURMOND BACK THEN, RIGHT AFTER OFFICIALLY STARTING. DID YOU EVER SEE YOURSELF WANTING THIS KIND OF POSITION? NO, NOT AT ALL. I鈥橫 JUST NOT SOMEONE OF TO BE IN THE LIMELIGHT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THAT LIMELIGHT WOULD COME WITH SOME TOUGH CRITICISM FROM BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE DEPARTMENT. CONCERNS ABOUT HOMICIDES, CRIME AND THE CITY IS DOWN ABOUT OVERALL 10.5% AS OF TODAY. THE ONE CATEGORY THAT WE鈥橰E UP IN IS THE HOMICIDES, OF COURSE, BEHIND THE SCENES, THURMOND TELLS ME HE DID NOT HAVE AN EASY START. THERE WAS NOT THAT TRANSITION. THERE WAS ZERO TRANSMISSION FROM SMITH TO YOU. I WALKED INTO AN EMPTY OFFICE WITH NOTHING IN THERE. I DIDN鈥橳 HAVE ANYBODY TO TALK TO AND JUST HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT. WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES THAT CAME WITH THAT, AND HOW DID YOU TACKLE IT? YOU KNOW, IT鈥橲 DIFFICULT. YOU JUST I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH I HAD BEEN AT THE DEPARTMENT FOR YEARS, I HAD NEVER BEEN IN THIS ROLE. THERE鈥橲 NO THERE鈥橲 NO TRAINING TO BE THE CHIEF. THERE鈥橲 NOT REALLY ANYBODY YOU COULD TALK TO. I MEAN, THERE鈥橲 OTHER CHIEFS IN OUR AREA TO TALK TO, BUT THEY鈥橵E NEVER BEEN THE CHIEF OF A DEPARTMENT OF THIS SIZE. IN OCTOBER, THE CITY SAID IT HAD 851 SWORN OFFICERS AND 223 VACANCIES. STAFFING ISSUES REALLY HAVEN鈥橳 CHANGED. THAT MUCH. I MEAN, WE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY SHORT WHEN I CAME INTO THE ROLE. WE鈥橰E PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT SAME LEVEL NOW. THURMOND SAYS NOT HAVING ENOUGH OFFICERS IMPACTS MORALE. JUST LAST MONTH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A NEARLY $16 MILLION POLICE RECRUITMENT PLAN. IT INCLUDES $10,000 SIGNING BONUSES FOR NEW OFFICERS, A $2,500 BONUS FOR OFFICERS THERE TWO OR MORE YEARS. AND THURMOND SAYS SOON OFFICERS WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR PATROL CARS HOME. THAT鈥橲 A RECRUITMENT WIN. THAT鈥橲 A RETENTION WIN. THAT鈥橲 A CRIME FIGHTING WIN. NOW YOU HAVE A LOT MORE VISIBILITY ACROSS OUR CITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. WHEN OFFICERS ARE WORKING OFF DUTY JOBS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IN THE LONG TERM, THAT WILL BE A COST SAVINGS FOR THE CITY BECAUSE CARS WILL LAST LONGER, BECAUSE THEY鈥橰E NOT DRIVEN AS OFTEN. YOU KNOW, AND JUST KNOWING THAT IN A YEAR THERE鈥橲 GOING TO BE 100 TO 150 MORE POLICE OFFICERS. SO MY WORKLOAD AS AN OFFICER IS GOING TO GO DOWN. I鈥橫 GOING TO HAVE MORE TIME. THIS IS A DECISION YOU鈥橰E MAKING ON YOUR OWN. NO ONE鈥橲 PUSHING YOU OUT. NO, I MEAN, THE MAYOR AND I HAVE A FANTASTIC RELATIONSHIP. HE WAS SHOCKED THAT I WAS LEAVING AS WELL. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS JUST A DECISION THAT I NEEDED TO MAKE TO TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH MY FAMILY AND JUST JUST SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THURMOND, THE FATHER OF TWO SONS, 14 AND 20, CREDITS HIS WIFE FOR HER SUPPORT AND PATIENCE. SHE SAYS, I FEEL LIKE A SINGLE PARENT BECAUSE YOU鈥橰E NOT HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU鈥橰E AT WORK DURING THE DAY AND THEN YOU鈥橰E OUT ALL NIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, IT鈥橲 JUST DIFFICULT. HE NOW PASSES THE CHALLENGE TO INTERIM CHIEF MICHAEL PICKETT. THURMOND IS WORKING WITH HIM EVERY DAY TO TRANSITION INTO THE ROLE, AND HE BELIEVES HE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. HE鈥橲 GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING FOR HIM THAT THAT I DIDN鈥橳 HAVE GOING THAT ARE NOW IN PLACE FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT鈥橲 GOING TO MAKE IT VERY HELPFUL FOR HIM. THURMOND HAS SOME ADVICE FOR INTERIM CHIEF PICKETT. LISTEN TO WHAT鈥橲 GOING ON. MAKE SURE YOU鈥橰E TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING. IT鈥橲 JUST A LOT TO MANAGE FOR A CITY THIS SIZE AND A DEPARTMENT THIS SIZE. THURMOND SAYS HE鈥橲 NOT RETIRING. HE鈥橲 TAKING A NEW JOB, PLANS ON WHERE HE鈥橲 GOING WILL BE ANNOUNCED LATER THIS MONTH. I ASKED HIM IF HE COULD PINPOINT JUST ONE CASE HE鈥橠 LIKE TO SEE SOLVED. HE SAID ONE DEAR TO HIM WAS THE TRAGIC DEATH OF BIRMINGHAM POLICE OFFICER JOSEPH JEROME DANIELS. THEY WORKED TOGETHER IN 2002. DANIELS WAS OFF DUTY PICKING UP FOOD WHEN HE TRIED TO STOP A ROBBERY. THE SUSPECT SHOT HIM IN THE CHEST. SOMEONE WAS ARRESTED IN 2012, BUT CHARGES WERE DISMISSED BECAUSE OF LACK OF EVIDENCE. AND THAT CASE STILL UNSOLVED.
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'Listen to what's going on:' Birmingham Police chief prepares to leave after 26 years and offers advice to interim
This weekend, Chief Scott Thurmond celebrated 26 years with the Birmingham Police Department. It's a bittersweet anniversary. Thurmond is leaving at the end of this month. Only on 米兰体育 13 Thurmond sits with Magdala Louissaint for a one-on-one conversation about the job, its challenges, and his reason for leaving.After two years as Chief Scott Thurmond is leaving the Birmingham Police Department.鈥淚 feel like I鈥檓 leaving the department in a very good direction moving forward,鈥� Thurmond said.At the end of 2021, Mayor Randall Woodfin called on Thurmond to replace Patrick Smith who suddenly left. I spoke with Thurmond back then right after officially starting.In the 2022 interview clip, Magdala asked, 鈥渄id you ever see yourself wanting this kind of position?鈥� Thurmond replied, 鈥淣ot at all. I鈥檓 just someone who doesn鈥檛 like to be in the limelight.鈥漁ver the next two years that limelight would come with some tough criticism from both inside and outside the department, concerns about homicide."Crime in the city is down about 10.5 percent as of today. We're up in homicides of course,鈥� Thurmond said.Behind the scenes Thurmond tells me he did not have an easy start.Magdala asked, 鈥淭here was no transition?" Thurmond, 鈥淶ero transition,鈥� Magdala, 鈥淔rom Smith to you?鈥� Thurmond said, 鈥淭here was no transition. I walked into an empty office. I didn鈥檛 have anybody to talk to just had to figure it out.鈥� Thurmond said.Magdala asked Thurmond, 鈥渨hat were the challenges that came with that, and how did you tackle it?鈥� He replied, 鈥淵ou know, it's difficult. Even though I've been in the department for years, I've never been in this role. There's no training to be the chief. There's not really anybody that could talk to me. And there's other chiefs in our area to talk to, but they've never been the chief of a department of this size.鈥滻n October, the city said it had 851 sworn officers and 223 vacancies.鈥淪taffing issues haven鈥檛 really changed that much. We were significantly short when I came into the role. We鈥檙e at the same level now,鈥� Thurmond said.Thurmond says not having enough officers鈥� impacts morale. Just last month, the city council approved a nearly $16 million police recruitment plan. It includes $10,000 signing bonuses for new officers. A $2,500 bonus for officers there 2 or more years. And Thurmond says soon officers will be able to take their patrol cars home.>> 米兰体育 13 ON-THE-GO: Download our app for free鈥淭hat鈥檚 a recruitment win. That鈥檚 a crime-fighting win. Now you have more visibility across out our city, neighborhoods, in our entertainment districts. When officers are working off duty jobs and things of that nature,鈥� Thurmond said, 鈥淚n the long term, that will be a cost savings for the city, because cars will last longer, because they're not driven in as often. You know and just knowing that in a year there's going to be 100 to 150 more police officers. So the workload as an officer is going to go down. I'm going to have more time.鈥滿agdala asked Thurmond, 鈥淭his is a decision you鈥檙e making on your own? You鈥檙e not being pushed out?鈥� Thurmond says, 鈥淭he mayor and I have a fantastic relationship. He was shocked that I was leaving as well. This is just a decision that I needed to make to spend more time with my family and just slow down a little bit.鈥漈hurmond, the father of two sons, 14 and 20, credits his wife for her support and patience.鈥淪he says, I feel like a single parent because you're not here because, you know, you're working in a day and then you're out all night and, you know, it's just difficult," Thurmond said.He now passes the challenge to interim chief Michael Pickett. Thurmond is working with him every day to transition into the role and believes he can be successful.鈥淗e's got a lot of things going for him that, that I didn't have going that are now in place for the department. And so yeah, I think it's going to make it, very helpful for him,鈥� Thurmond said.Thurmond has some advice for interim chief Pickett, 鈥淟isten to what's going on and make sure you're taking care of everything. It's just a lot to manage for a city this size and a department this size.鈥漈hurmond says he鈥檚 not retiring. He's taking a new job. An announcement about where he's going will be released later this month. We asked him if he could pinpoint just one case he'd like to see solved. He said one dear to him was the tragic death of Birmingham police officer Joseph Jerome Daniels. They worked together. In 2002, Daniels was off duty picking up food when he tried to stop a robbery. The suspect shot him in the chest. Someone was arrested in 2012, but charges were dismissed because of lack of evidence. That case is still unsolved.

This weekend, Chief Scott Thurmond celebrated 26 years with the Birmingham Police Department. It's a bittersweet anniversary. Thurmond is leaving at the end of this month. Only on 米兰体育 13 Thurmond sits with Magdala Louissaint for a one-on-one conversation about the job, its challenges, and his reason for leaving.

After two years as Chief Scott Thurmond is leaving the Birmingham Police Department.

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鈥淚 feel like I鈥檓 leaving the department in a very good direction moving forward,鈥� Thurmond said.

At the end of 2021, Mayor Randall Woodfin called on Thurmond to replace Patrick Smith who suddenly left. I spoke with Thurmond back then right after officially starting.

In the 2022 interview clip, Magdala asked, 鈥渄id you ever see yourself wanting this kind of position?鈥� Thurmond replied, 鈥淣ot at all. I鈥檓 just someone who doesn鈥檛 like to be in the limelight.鈥�

Over the next two years that limelight would come with some tough criticism from both inside and outside the department, concerns about homicide.

"Crime in the city is down about 10.5 percent as of today. We're up in homicides of course,鈥� Thurmond said.

Behind the scenes Thurmond tells me he did not have an easy start.

Magdala asked, 鈥淭here was no transition?" Thurmond, 鈥淶ero transition,鈥� Magdala, 鈥淔rom Smith to you?鈥� Thurmond said, 鈥淭here was no transition. I walked into an empty office. I didn鈥檛 have anybody to talk to just had to figure it out.鈥� Thurmond said.

Magdala asked Thurmond, 鈥渨hat were the challenges that came with that, and how did you tackle it?鈥� He replied, 鈥淵ou know, it's difficult. Even though I've been in the department for years, I've never been in this role. There's no training to be the chief. There's not really anybody that could talk to me. And there's other chiefs in our area to talk to, but they've never been the chief of a department of this size.鈥�

In October, the city said it had 851 sworn officers and 223 vacancies.

鈥淪taffing issues haven鈥檛 really changed that much. We were significantly short when I came into the role. We鈥檙e at the same level now,鈥� Thurmond said.

Thurmond says not having enough officers鈥� impacts morale. Just last month, the city council approved a nearly $16 million police recruitment plan. It includes $10,000 signing bonuses for new officers. A $2,500 bonus for officers there 2 or more years. And Thurmond says soon officers will be able to take their patrol cars home.

>> 米兰体育 13 ON-THE-GO: Download our app for free

鈥淭hat鈥檚 a recruitment win. That鈥檚 a crime-fighting win. Now you have more visibility across out our city, neighborhoods, in our entertainment districts. When officers are working off duty jobs and things of that nature,鈥� Thurmond said, 鈥淚n the long term, that will be a cost savings for the city, because cars will last longer, because they're not driven in as often. You know and just knowing that in a year there's going to be 100 to 150 more police officers. So the workload as an officer is going to go down. I'm going to have more time.鈥�

Magdala asked Thurmond, 鈥淭his is a decision you鈥檙e making on your own? You鈥檙e not being pushed out?鈥� Thurmond says, 鈥淭he mayor and I have a fantastic relationship. He was shocked that I was leaving as well. This is just a decision that I needed to make to spend more time with my family and just slow down a little bit.鈥�

Thurmond, the father of two sons, 14 and 20, credits his wife for her support and patience.

鈥淪he says, I feel like a single parent because you're not here because, you know, you're working in a day and then you're out all night and, you know, it's just difficult," Thurmond said.

He now passes the challenge to interim chief Michael Pickett. Thurmond is working with him every day to transition into the role and believes he can be successful.

鈥淗e's got a lot of things going for him that, that I didn't have going that are now in place for the department. And so yeah, I think it's going to make it, very helpful for him,鈥� Thurmond said.

Thurmond has some advice for interim chief Pickett, 鈥淟isten to what's going on and make sure you're taking care of everything. It's just a lot to manage for a city this size and a department this size.鈥�

Thurmond says he鈥檚 not retiring. He's taking a new job. An announcement about where he's going will be released later this month. We asked him if he could pinpoint just one case he'd like to see solved. He said one dear to him was the tragic death of Birmingham police officer Joseph Jerome Daniels. They worked together. In 2002, Daniels was off duty picking up food when he tried to stop a robbery. The suspect shot him in the chest. Someone was arrested in 2012, but charges were dismissed because of lack of evidence. That case is still unsolved.